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#31 07-03-2013, 11:25:47 AM
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Contrary to popular belief, French fries are actually American!

Next time you find yourself at a restaurant, order up a serving of FREEDOM FRIES for yourself all you amazing patriots!
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TheGrandMystic
#32 07-03-2013, 11:40:04 AM
Quote from: steev on 07-03-2013, 11:13:39 AM
Honestly I think America is a very good country with a lot of good food. Did you know that chow mein was invented in America?

I literally spit out my coffee when I first heard that.  I felt so proud.
I love chow mein!


A good amount of "Chinese" food in the US was either first made here by Chinese immigrants or is heavily modified from native recipes to utilize western vegetables (tomatoes, western broccoli and onion, etc.), greater amounts of meat, and sweeter and thicker sauces. It's really inauthentic as hell but it's still really delicious!


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#33 07-03-2013, 11:45:28 AM
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Almost all ethnic food served in America is catered to a specifically American palette. Thus I think it is fair to call it "American food" even if the origins can be traced to another country.


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#34 07-03-2013, 12:30:41 PM
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I didn't say we have no culture! We have tons of culture! There is just no such thing as American food.

Tell me some "American food" that doesn't come from the deep south or Louisiana (And one can make a strong argument that Creole food is not American)

Tex Mex is MAYBE American? What else? New England clam chowder comes to mind, but again, this existed already, they just spun it their way .\

It's not really surprising or earthshattering to say this, we are only about 200 years old, when this country was created, all the good food dishes already existed. It's nothing against us, we just started way too late!

Italian: Pizza, pasta, deli meats, etc etc etc etc

England: Pastys, Steak and Kidney pies, pies of any sort, Yorkshire pudding, sunday roast, Lancashire hotpot, on and on and on

Germany: Hotdogs, potato salad, etc etc etc

Spain: Bean soups, tapas, etc etc etc

France/Belgium: French Fries, Steak frites, most any stew we make here

America: ???? A poo pooty steak and cheese from a subshop?





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#35 07-03-2013, 13:11:12 PM
when we mean American are we talking just the United States or are we talking about the Americas as a whole? a good amount of the food in North and South America has origins in Native American and First Nation cooking so you have stuff like cornbread and frybread (now staples in Southern US cooking), the clambake (which colonists of New England adopted), succotash, grits (a staple in Southern US breakfasts), Caribbean jerk-style meats, barbecuing of meats in general, pretty much all of your Tex-Mex food, and fried green tomatoes for starters

chowder is also distinctly an American dish of American origin
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#36 07-03-2013, 13:18:56 PM
Just because it's a staple somewhere doesn't mean it was not invented by someone else! Cornbreads were done in the Caribbean and Central America long before here.

Jerk meats is Jamaican (I'm talking about the US, not the "Americas"

Obviously mexico and every country in South America has it's own food identity, as does the Caribbean.

(Doubles for Trinidad and Tobago, Curry Conch for Bermuda, etc etc etc)

BBQ was done in Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay long before here, we did invent BBQ sauce though probably.

And calling it "Chowder" is American, but cream soups with clam and potatoes in it existed long before and were called a "Potage" or a "Crème"





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#37 07-03-2013, 13:28:32 PM
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Quote from: Diceman on 07-03-2013, 13:18:56 PM
Just because it's a staple somewhere doesn't mean it was not invented by someone else! Cornbreads were done in the Caribbean and Central America long before here.

Jerk meats is Jamaican (I'm talking about the US, not the "Americas"

Obviously mexico and every country in South America has it's own food identity, as does the Caribbean.

(Doubles for Trinidad and Tobago, Curry Conch for Bermuda, etc etc etc)

BBQ was done in Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay long before here, we did invent BBQ sauce though probably.



Everything you listed is from the deep south, as I previously said! That is the only place that has unique "American" food. (except your clambake, and I don't know if i'd call throwing a bunch of seafood in a pot and steaming it a unique creation)

And calling it "Chowder" is American, but cream soups with clam and potatoes in it existed long before and were called a "Potage" or a "Crème". Chowder was started in Canada anyway and Chowder is a French word that we butchered!!







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#38 07-03-2013, 13:32:15 PM
Well saying that since it has origins somewhere else it is not american is a pretty stupid argument. That would also imply there is no american music because you can trace the roots of all our music to other places. When we take something and adapt it, it becomes american.




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#39 07-03-2013, 13:35:24 PM
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Quote from: JC VON BASTARD on 07-03-2013, 13:32:15 PM
Well saying that since it has origins somewhere else it is not american is a pretty stupid argument. That would also imply there is no american music because you can trace the roots of all our music to other places. When we take something and adapt it, it becomes american.

Just proved my point exactly JC, everything we have is taken from someone else and tweaked.

However, you cannot say the same of Indian food, British food, Italian food, etc. They did not take it from anyone else. This is precisely the difference I am speaking of.

Why do you s ay "Im getting Chinese takeout" instead of "I'm getting American food" if you are so convinced Beef and Broccoli is an American food?

I am perfectly satisfied recognizing that we only have 200 years of history while everyone else has far more. Everything good already existed. Just because we want something to be "American" doesn't mean it is.





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#40 07-03-2013, 13:47:23 PM
i didn't say anything about staple foods being invented by the staple eaters, i'm just pointing that out because there are people out there for the benefit of others (as i know many people from the South who will claim cornbread as "their" food when it most assuredly is not). i'm well aware of the origin of every food i named and don't need a fetching history lesson, thanks, i was simply asking whether your definition of "American" includes native cooking and non-US cooking or if you meant "food originating in the United States mostly from the descendents of white European colonists" because every one of those countries you listed off is technically "American"
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#41 07-03-2013, 13:48:47 PM
Thanks for the "Unicorning history lesson!"

You said "chowder is also distinctly an American dish of American origin"

Which it is not, so you needed a history lesson. Invented by the French in France and then Canada





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#42 07-03-2013, 13:49:26 PM
also i should note that i'm not trying to be all "rah rah USA" here or anything like that by trying to say there is this huge home-grown American cuisine, as far as i'm concerned fusion-style cooking from ethnicities all around the world IS American cuisine and absolutely delicious and wonderful
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#43 07-03-2013, 13:56:46 PM
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Quote from: The Banner Bomb Problem on 07-03-2013, 13:49:26 PM
also i should note that i'm not trying to be all "rah rah USA" here or anything like that by trying to say there is this huge home-grown American cuisine, as far as i'm concerned fusion-style cooking from ethnicities all around the world IS American cuisine and absolutely delicious and wonderful

Agree with this, Diceman is a terrorist


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#44 07-03-2013, 13:59:01 PM
Quote from: Cirus on 07-03-2013, 13:56:46 PM
Quote from: The Banner Bomb Problem on 07-03-2013, 13:49:26 PM
also i should note that i'm not trying to be all "rah rah USA" here or anything like that by trying to say there is this huge home-grown American cuisine, as far as i'm concerned fusion-style cooking from ethnicities all around the world IS American cuisine and absolutely delicious and wonderful

Agree with this, Diceman is a terrorist

For the first time in my life I know how foreigners feel when clueless Americans big up their own country without basis!





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#45 07-03-2013, 14:03:54 PM
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Well like he said the very act of taking other foods and adapting it to the American palate makes it American cuisine. It is no longer authentic relative to whatever nation it came from, but it is a distinct dish. If that doesn't make it American then I don't know what does. It has nothing to do with trying to make America sound culturally superior.


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